So begins the Rev. Canon Marianne Wells Borg's Foreword to Tom Stella's book: Finding God Beyond Religion. Drawing on this poem by Amichai, Borg explains, "Tom Stella has been moved, shaped, liberated by 'doubts and loves'." A Christian author who champions doubt? Heres why Borgs insight is so important: Millions of men and women are coming to appreciate the value of doubt in their spiritual lives. Of course, some religious traditions value doubt more than others. The full spectrum of Judaism, for example, runs from ultra-orthodox through secular humanist congregationsJews who believe that the entity we have traditionally called "God" is really the enlightened spirit of humanity. In Buddhism, as the Dalai Lama regularly explains, the traditional Western concept of God is irrelevant to the Buddhist search for compassion and enlightenment. Sufis and other mystics value doubt. To clarify his message, Tom Stella is not an atheist. In fact, youll find in todays interview with Read The Spirit Editor David Crumm that Tom considers himself a Christian. But, he also describes his concept of God, now, as a powerful sense of a Spirit within the world and within all of us. He says his theology is much like that of retired Bishop John Spong, who we also interviewed recently. Stellas opening lines in this book quote the Muslim-Sufi mystic Rumi inviting "us to leave behind the narrow notion of religion understood as moral teachings and to enter the field where spiritual seekers gather." That field does not try to impose traditional doctrines, Stella explains. Many religious writers scoff at people who describe themselves as spiritual but not religious. But, Tom Stella is a stalwart friend of such seekers. He has become a spiritual counselor to the Nonesthe growing minority of Americans who decline to give pollsters a religious affiliation and, instead, respond: None. Read The Spirit earlier took a close look at the Rise of the Nones. Sociologist Dr. Wayne Baker, creator of the Our Values project, also has reported on the Nones. For much of his adult life, Tom Stella served as a Catholic priest. Now, he has left his religious order. As you can learn from Toms homepage, he is a spiritual director, counselor, hospice chaplain and author. He has become a sage of the Rockiesa wise teacher drawing from West and East to help men and women from his home base in Colorado Springs. Highlights of Our Interview with Tom Stella on Finding God Beyond Religion DAVID CRUMM: You dont like that labelNones. Instead, you use a phrase that I like, too: unorthodox believers. Explain what you mean by that. TOM STELLA: These are people who are not being fed by the traditional church. Yet, some of the healthiest religious people I know are unorthodox believers. They wouldnt call themselves religious necessarily. Many of the unorthodox believers I have encountered do believe that there is a communion with the divinity, although they are likely to see this divinity as a communion with the spirit of humanity. The term unorthodox believer covers a lot of groundits a big umbrella. Im saying in this book that its important for traditional religious groups not to just write off these folks as heretics or atheists. These folks are spiritually hungry. Theyre grappling withand many of them longing forways to relate to the larger community. DAVID: Theres an unfortunate stereotype floating around that spiritual seekers are somehow self-centered dilettantes. Theyre too soft for real religion and prefer selfish feel-good experiences. Thats essentially what Rabbi David Wolpe said in TIME magazine this spring. We just discussed the Wolpe commentary in a recent interview with Ram Dass. In sharp contrast, you say that the spiritual-but-not-religious path takes a great deal of courage. Some folks may, indeed, be using that line to avoid the whole subject. But for many people, youre saying, this phrase describes taking a courageous dive into the deep end of the religious pool, right? TOM: Our culture has developed a very cynical take on these folks. People discount them by describing them as just wanting fuzzy, self-centered stuff. Thats an unfair stereotype. In my experience, folks whove chosen to walk this path want a faith that has integrity. Now, we dont want to stereotype traditionally religious people, either. But I can say this: Its easier in our culture to go the traditional route of membership and practice than it is to walk the spiritual pathway. Jack Spong says that people go to religion for safety, not for truth. I think its very courageous for people to walk outside of the traditional, institutional paths. People who choose this path can find themselves separated from members of their own family, as relatives learn what traditional beliefs they may have left behind. In the last chapter of my book, I write about so-called Cafeteria Catholics, a stereotype of Catholics who like to choose which beliefs they will follow. The institutional Catholic Church wants to write them off. I say: No, these people are trying to work out what they can claim with integrity. I think Jesus was probably regarded as a Cafeteria Jew in his day, which is why he encountered so much friction from the religious officials of his day. TOM STELLA: 'This can blow up old assumptions DAVID: At Read The Spirit, we have published a number of interviews with Bible scholar Marcus Borgthe husband of Marianne Borg, who wrote your Forewordand Marcus often talks about this problem of conflict within organized religion over what people truly believe, and things the denominations tell them to believe. Youre a fan of Spongs writing, too, and Spong frequently talks about this problem: Many organized religious groups insist on doctrines that millions have a hard time believing. In your research for this book, what would you say are some of the toughest barriers to belief today? TOM: Doctrines about Jesus are a barrier, which Marcus also addresses in his books. Im talking about what we could call High ChristologyJesus descended from above, born of a virgin, died for our sins, and so on. Today, a lot of people who want to have a life of faith say, I cant go there anymore. They may say, I once reveled in those traditional beliefs, but I just cant believe that way anymore. Im talking about those teachings that give us a dualistic sense of lifethat there is this world and then God is somewhere else. God is this anthropomorphic Father, a Guy in the Sky who sometimes decides to intervene. For a lot of people, that notion just doesnt make sense anymore. When people describe this problem to me, theyll say: My life experience tells me this isnt so. A lot of people have prayed for someone to recover from a life-threatening illnessfor the Guy in the Sky to step in and change the world with a miracle. When that doesnt happen, this can blow up old assumptions about faith. DAVID: So, are you an atheist? Turning to Wikipedia, the term atheist means the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Is that you? TOM: You might say that I am non-theistic. I believe in God, but my definition of God is different than what youll find in most churches. I go into this more in my earlier book, A Faith Worth Believing: Finding New Life Beyond the Rules of Religion. I dont believe that there is a God who is a separate entity out there somewherea Guy in the Sky. I dont believe the word God refers to someone. It refers, I would say, to the spiritual essence of reality and creation. What I am describing, I think, is very similar to what Jack Spong writes and teaches, except that he often comes across as somewhat strident. My work is softer. DAVID: Yes, Ive read most of Spongs books and have known him for nearly 30 years and, youre right: He deliberately remained within the Christian church, as a bishop, and so came across as very controversial and often as stridentan outspoken prophetic voice within the church. Youve chosen a different path. You left your religious order and youre working with folks who also are outside of organized religion. I agree: Your book is pastoral, both for people inside and outside of churches, now. TOM: I wouldnt choose to call myself more pastoral than Jack Spong. I would say that my perspective is more contemplative. Thomas Merton has been a big influence on me. DAVID: Let me push you further. Jack argues strongly that he remains a Christian. How about you? Do you use that term to describe yourself? TOM: Yes, I would say that I am Christian, because I see the person of Jesus as someone who is a revelation of the truth of this non-theistic God immanence, this God closeness, this Oneness. Jesus is someone who woke up to the truth of his own divinity and surrendered to that to a degree that most people dont ever achieve. Now, at the same time, I would not say that Jesus is the one and only incarnation of God. I do think thatwhile Christians have taken the idea of incarnation seriously for 2,000 yearsweve forgotten to take it personally. The term incarnation applies to Jesus, but it also applies to all of us. We are the enfleshment of the divine. TOM STELLA: Prayer, T.S. Eliot and Waking Up DAVID: So, a lot of readers will ask: Where does that leave prayer? You just referred to Thomas Merton as a major influence in your life. Throughout your book, readers will encounter a number of famous Christian mystics, including the poet Gerard Manley Hopkins. We just talked about the revival of Hopkinss poetry in an interview with Richard Rohr. Youre a spiritual directoran advocate of prayer. Yet, in your book, you point out the obvious question: If were not sure theres a God out there, then whats the point? Thats a question a woman asks you in the book. So, what do you say? TOM: Im trying to say that prayer is a lot bigger than we have been taught. I was taught that I was praying when I intended to pray and thought I was prayingand I was engaged either in a communal setting or some other formal setting of prayer. Prayer was confined to those settings and formats. But, in the New Testament, Paul teaches us to pray without ceasing. What does that mean? Hes inviting us to see that prayer is a lot bigger than we can imagine. And, I am trying to say that life can be so much richer when we recognize that the living of it can be considered a prayer. Life is an encounter with the divine, embodied in everyday ordinary creation, if we are fully present and aware of this. Prayer can become something much more pervasive in our lives, almost indecipherable from the way we move through life itself. You may have seen this in the lives of people who have truly given over their lives to these truths. Think of the way St. Francis walked through life. People can come to a realization that every piece of the earth is holy ground. Thats where we get into contemplative sensitivity. Its not just another way of defining and teaching prayerthis is about realizing that prayer is an entirely different sensitivity to life. DAVID: I have to ask you, in this regard, about your choice of T.S. Eliot and a quote from his Four Quartets. Personally, Im struck by how often Eliot is turning up in contemporary Catholic writing, these days. We published a review of a remarkable book, collecting contemporary Catholic writers under a title that also is taken from Eliots Four Quartets, the phrase Not Less Than Everything. Eliot kept asking: How can anyone who cares about humanity keep going in such tragic times? His answer was as long and complex as the 50 pages of the Four Quartets. But it involves making a total personal commitment to life. Or, as Eliot puts ita commitment costing not less than everything. In your book, you quote four lines that come just before that famous phrase about the cost. You quote this: We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. Tell us why you chose those lines. TOM: Ultimately, this is all about waking up. Thats what the spiritual life is all aboutrecognizing the fullness of where we are and where weve been. Its enlightenment. William Wordsworth put it this way in his Ode, Intimations of Immortality: Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting: The Soul that rises with us, our lifes Star, Hath had elsewhere its setting, And cometh from afar: Not in entire forgetfulness, And not in utter nakedness, But trailing clouds of glory do we come From God, who is our home: Heaven lies about us in our infancy! In a sense, Wordsworth is saying something very much like Eliot was saying in those lines you just quoted. We wander through life. We forget. We are lost. In a sense, we have to wander to find that we are home, again. Ram Dass says it this way: Were all just walking each other home. Ultimately, we recognize that weve been on sacred ground the whole time. DAVID: What do you hope readers will find when theyve read your book? TOM: I hope they will come away from this book with a spiritual understanding of religious truth that is a deeper understanding than the conventional interpretations that are all around us. I want them to realize there is a real baby in this bathwater of spirituality and it shouldnt all be tossed out the window. I want them to be able to name and claim something new as the foundation for a more life-giving faith. -- By David Crumm * Read the Spirit *
